X 用户称国内大模型节奏放缓：Kimi K3.1 Pro 已隔约 100 天
发帖人爆料有中国实验室想让他帮忙蒸馏 Fable 模型被拒，还点名 Kimi K3.1 Pro、DeepSeek、Zai、Qwen 4 Max 各自的更新停滞或口碑问题。蒸馏路线被 Anthropic 卡住后怎么办，这帖子给了一个很尖锐的观察角度。
X 用户 Da7em 发帖称，一家中国大模型实验室曾联系他请求帮助蒸馏 Fable 模型，被他拒绝，他建议改用数百万本无版权书籍并协助选择数据与训练方式，但对方只想要蒸馏。他据此判断国内模型迭代在放缓：Kimi K3.1 Pro 距 Kimi K3 发布约 100 天但提升有限，DeepSeek 尚未拿出像样的 Pro 模型，Zai 距上次最强模型发布已过三个月，坊间对 Qwen 4 Max 的反馈也不佳。
他进一步指出，Kimi K3.1 Pro 和 DeepSeek Flash 均带有 Astra 蒸馏痕迹，泄露信息显示 Moonshot 和 DeepSeek 都用过它，并把这归因于 Anthropic 封锁蒸馏通道。他同时批评 Anthropic 销毁了数百万本书籍数据，但也认为国内实验室过度依赖蒸馏而非更优质数据，导致模型只能充当更便宜的替代品，缺少自己的身份与差异化。
该帖引发关于前沿模型数据获取受限后中国实验室能否独立走强的讨论。对开发者而言，Kimi K3.1 Pro、DeepSeek、Qwen 等开源模型供给节奏的变化，直接影响可依赖的平价算力替代方案。
国内模型脚步确实放缓了 🙃 Da7em @Da7_Tech A big Chinese lab reached out to me asking for help distilling Fable into their model. I said no. I told them to use the millions of books that have no copyright instead. Offered to help pick them and to help train the model a different way. They only wanted distillation, which tells you a lot about the mindset there. I've worked deep in this field and distillation is real. I wasn't convinced at one point. What I saw changed my mind completely. I'm the biggest supporter of open source. I'm for releasing weights and for the freedom to research and build, because humanity only grows when knowledge gets shared. But let's be logical. Nobody will convince me that labs shipping a model every month or less, each one a big leap, now can't ship a better one after three months. Kimi K3.1 Pro isn't a big leap over Kimi K3 and it's been about 100 days. DeepSeek still can't put out a respectable Pro model. Zai used to release their strongest model in under two months. It's been three with nothing. All I hear about Qwen 4 Max is that it's a letdown. Kimi K3.1 Pro and DeepSeek Flash both show traces of Astra distillation. The leak showed Moonshot used it, and so did DeepSeek. If this isn't the effect of Anthropic blocking distillation then what is it? Chinese labs need to get serious about using the talented researchers they have and give their models an identity. Right now their models at their best are a cheaper alternative. I want them out of that box. I want to see what makes them different. Anthropic has crossed lines too, no argument there. They destroyed millions of books, human knowledge that was in people's hands, and kept it for themselves. I'll never forgive them for that. But Chinese labs rely on distillation more than they rely on better data. I didn't work with them. Transparency and honesty matter to me, like you've known since I started here. 🔗 View Quoted Tweet📊 5 ⚡
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